2023 Final Edition

[Magnified]

I'm still more perplexed why they are spending so much time and money on a car they are abandoning

To draw eyes for the hornet and the EVs

 

[Illegal_Demon]

After all the predictions, A170, CF wheels, 1000+HP, endless names, E85, 8.899s and leaks, and hints of ALL kinds, Dodge has still given us next to nothing on:

1. How many 7 Cars will be made. The YouTube "influencers" have guessed but honestly, those guesses have not been backed with even the smallest bit of corporate backing with any of the teasers.

2. Ditto for HOW the car will be distributed.

Unfortunately, these two unknowns are THEE biggest issues out there and mum has been the universal word.

So how could this go from here?

Option 1:
If they make 300 and give them to the top sales dealerships (ala the Sticker Ghost and other cosmetic cars) the ADM will be ASTRONOMICAL in almost all cases. And that's assuming the dealership owners simply don't buy the cars and lock them under glass. Out of those 300, I'd bet 200 never get sold, 75 have adms ranging from 75K to 250K, 20 have ADMS between 5-70K and (maybe) 5 get sold at MSRP (at the rare as hen tooth MSRP-only dealerships with ownership that also resist buying the car outright for themselves).

The backlash from true Dodge fans and real-world customers would be swift and violent is my guess here.

Option #2:
Build 1000-1500 and direct allocate to customers (ala Viper days of yore). Possible and with precedent. ADMS would be eliminated. However, a ton of resentment will still be out there is my guess. How would Dodge decide who is "worthy"? See Ford GT for pissed-off customers. Perhaps this is better than Option 1, but still problematic.

Option #3
Make as many as the market will absorb. Probably can't avoid the dealer network if they choose this option to build 3, 5, 10K+ units. The good news would be that most dealerships could order one for you so better pricing could be had by shopping around. The problem I see here is Dodge likely couldn't deliver (literally) with the ironclad Hellcat end date of 12/31/23 repeated by Tim and others. It will soon be April and this car won't be a simple or quick model to produce given the likely complications (enclosed shipping, upfitters, crates, etc). See Demon (at a mere 3,312 units took 10+ months to roll out).

If pressed, my best guess is that a finite/fixed number will be built (1000-1500) with minimal customization allowed (ala the 1-6 sticker cars). I'm also thinking the top sales dealerships will get the cars (largely to keep them engaged for the ominous EV transition that's coming whether anyone likes it or not).

Perhaps the top 500 will get a shot, with variable allocations ranging between 1 and 5 (ala the Demon MO). As part of this announcement though I think Dodge will also do their best to appease the masses by promising a Direct Connection option (with all the Car 7 goodies available ala carte/dim sum) to all the customers they can't or won't be able to promise a car to.

None of this will make everyone happy. And I bet the brass at Dodge have different ideas on how to best move forward. Either way, in less than 24h we will all find out exactly how they plan to proceed.

 

[BULL]

After all the predictions, A170, CF wheels, 1000+HP, endless names, E85, 8.899s and leaks, and hints of ALL kinds, Dodge has still given us next to nothing on:

1. How many 7 Cars will be made. The YouTube "influencers" have guessed but honestly, those guesses have not been backed with even the smallest bit of corporate backing with any of the teasers.

2. Ditto for HOW the car will be distributed.

Unfortunately, these two unknowns are THEE biggest issues out there and mum has been the universal word.

So how could this go from here?

Option 1:
If they make 300 and give them to the top sales dealerships (ala the Sticker Ghost and other cosmetic cars) the ADM will be ASTRONOMICAL in almost all cases. And that's assuming the dealership owners simply don't buy the cars and lock them under glass. Out of those 300, I'd bet 200 never get sold, 75 have adms ranging from 75K to 250K, 20 have ADMS between 5-70K and (maybe) 5 get sold at MSRP (at the rare as hen tooth MSRP-only dealerships with ownership that also resist buying the car outright for themselves).

The backlash from true Dodge fans and real-world customers would be swift and violent is my guess here.

Option #2:
Build 1000-1500 and direct allocate to customers (ala Viper days of yore). Possible and with precedent. ADMS would be eliminated. However, a ton of resentment will still be out there is my guess. How would Dodge decide who is "worthy"? See Ford GT for pissed-off customers. Perhaps this is better than Option 1, but still problematic.

Option #3
Make as many as the market will absorb. Probably can't avoid the dealer network if they choose this option to build 3, 5, 10K+ units. The good news would be that most dealerships could order one for you so better pricing could be had by shopping around. The problem I see here is Dodge likely couldn't deliver (literally) with the ironclad Hellcat end date of 12/31/23 repeated by Tim and others. It will soon be April and this car won't be a simple or quick model to produce given the likely complications (enclosed shipping, upfitters, crates, etc). See Demon (at a mere 3,312 units took 10+ months to roll out).

If pressed, my best guess is that a finite/fixed number will be built (1000-1500) with minimal customization allowed (ala the 1-6 sticker cars). I'm also thinking the top sales dealerships will get the cars (largely to keep them engaged for the ominous EV transition that's coming whether anyone likes it or not).

Perhaps the top 500 will get a shot, with variable allocations ranging between 1 and 5 (ala the Demon MO). As part of this announcement though I think Dodge will also do their best to appease the masses by promising a Direct Connection option (with all the Car 7 goodies available ala carte/dim sum) to all the customers they can't or won't be able to promise a car to.

None of this will make everyone happy. And I bet the brass at Dodge have different ideas on how to best move forward. Either way, in less than 24h we will all find out exactly how they plan to proceed.

You're in at 2pm, good luck!

 

[Demoniccat]

Was it actually called fratztronic? I thought that was just someone making fun of.it

Yep dead on serious, name been around since I think mid 60s it started from that logo shaped like a triangle. Used many times on Dodge vehicles in the day. Disappeared for may year hiatus. Then bam! Logo appeared and Fratzonic noise started with the Electric Banshee car. Kind of wish it didn’t come back, at very least the sound. Not a fan of it.

I think some techie here should do a cartoon emoji

 

[BULL]

Was it actually called fratztronic? I thought that was just someone making fun of.it

I don't think I have the correct spelling, not even the right syllables, but close enough

 

[Illegal_Demon]

You're in at 2pm, good luck!

I fly in at 10am....uber to Motorspeedway that opens at 12pm. Better get in then, lol.

 

[NoBrakes]

After all the predictions, A170, CF wheels, 1000+HP, endless names, E85, 8.899s and leaks, and hints of ALL kinds, Dodge has still given us next to nothing on:

1. How many 7 Cars will be made. The YouTube "influencers" have guessed but honestly, those guesses have not been backed with even the smallest bit of corporate backing with any of the teasers.

2. Ditto for HOW the car will be distributed.

Unfortunately, these two unknowns are THEE biggest issues out there and mum has been the universal word.

So how could this go from here?

Option 1:
If they make 300 and give them to the top sales dealerships (ala the Sticker Ghost and other cosmetic cars) the ADM will be ASTRONOMICAL in almost all cases. And that's assuming the dealership owners simply don't buy the cars and lock them under glass. Out of those 300, I'd bet 200 never get sold, 75 have adms ranging from 75K to 250K, 20 have ADMS between 5-70K and (maybe) 5 get sold at MSRP (at the rare as hen tooth MSRP-only dealerships with ownership that also resist buying the car outright for themselves).

The backlash from true Dodge fans and real-world customers would be swift and violent is my guess here.

Option #2:
Build 1000-1500 and direct allocate to customers (ala Viper days of yore). Possible and with precedent. ADMS would be eliminated. However, a ton of resentment will still be out there is my guess. How would Dodge decide who is "worthy"? See Ford GT for pissed-off customers. Perhaps this is better than Option 1, but still problematic.

Option #3
Make as many as the market will absorb. Probably can't avoid the dealer network if they choose this option to build 3, 5, 10K+ units. The good news would be that most dealerships could order one for you so better pricing could be had by shopping around. The problem I see here is Dodge likely couldn't deliver (literally) with the ironclad Hellcat end date of 12/31/23 repeated by Tim and others. It will soon be April and this car won't be a simple or quick model to produce given the likely complications (enclosed shipping, upfitters, crates, etc). See Demon (at a mere 3,312 units took 10+ months to roll out).

If pressed, my best guess is that a finite/fixed number will be built (1000-1500) with minimal customization allowed (ala the 1-6 sticker cars). I'm also thinking the top sales dealerships will get the cars (largely to keep them engaged for the ominous EV transition that's coming whether anyone likes it or not).

Perhaps the top 500 will get a shot, with variable allocations ranging between 1 and 5 (ala the Demon MO). As part of this announcement though I think Dodge will also do their best to appease the masses by promising a Direct Connection option (with all the Car 7 goodies available ala carte/dim sum) to all the customers they can't or won't be able to promise a car to.

None of this will make everyone happy. And I bet the brass at Dodge have different ideas on how to best move forward. Either way, in less than 24h we will all find out exactly how they plan to proceed.

Nice post.

I think we are getting some form of your Option #3, larger number but capped. I do not see #7 being unlimited, they still need to get them built. They allocated out the majority of Hellcat orders early with SE's and offering Jailbreak editions. That I am thinking was done to help them with being able to build X amount of #7 cars. I could be wrong but I am trying to stay optimistic.

 

[BULL]

I fly in at 10am....uber to Motorspeedway that opens at 12pm. Better get in then, lol.

No, you're in the Demon owner only special access at 2pm.

You did know that, right?

 

[BULL]

That's even before the Press pass special access.

 

[Magnified]

Yep dead on serious, name been around since I think mid 60s it started from that logo shaped like a triangle. Used many times on Dodge vehicles in the day. Disappeared for may year hiatus. Then bam! Logo appeared and Fratzonic noise started with the Electric Banshee car. Kind of wish it didn’t come back, at very least the sound. Not a fan of it.

I think some techie here should do a cartoon emoji

Knew about the triangle, didnt know the sound had that name. Weird.

 

[vortecd]

After all the predictions, A170, CF wheels, 1000+HP, endless names, E85, 8.899s and leaks, and hints of ALL kinds, Dodge has still given us next to nothing on:

1. How many 7 Cars will be made. The YouTube "influencers" have guessed but honestly, those guesses have not been backed with even the smallest bit of corporate backing with any of the teasers.

2. Ditto for HOW the car will be distributed.

Unfortunately, these two unknowns are THEE biggest issues out there and mum has been the universal word.

So how could this go from here?

Option 1:
If they make 300 and give them to the top sales dealerships (ala the Sticker Ghost and other cosmetic cars) the ADM will be ASTRONOMICAL in almost all cases. And that's assuming the dealership owners simply don't buy the cars and lock them under glass. Out of those 300, I'd bet 200 never get sold, 75 have adms ranging from 75K to 250K, 20 have ADMS between 5-70K and (maybe) 5 get sold at MSRP (at the rare as hen tooth MSRP-only dealerships with ownership that also resist buying the car outright for themselves).

The backlash from true Dodge fans and real-world customers would be swift and violent is my guess here.

Option #2:
Build 1000-1500 and direct allocate to customers (ala Viper days of yore). Possible and with precedent. ADMS would be eliminated. However, a ton of resentment will still be out there is my guess. How would Dodge decide who is "worthy"? See Ford GT for pissed-off customers. Perhaps this is better than Option 1, but still problematic.

Option #3
Make as many as the market will absorb. Probably can't avoid the dealer network if they choose this option to build 3, 5, 10K+ units. The good news would be that most dealerships could order one for you so better pricing could be had by shopping around. The problem I see here is Dodge likely couldn't deliver (literally) with the ironclad Hellcat end date of 12/31/23 repeated by Tim and others. It will soon be April and this car won't be a simple or quick model to produce given the likely complications (enclosed shipping, upfitters, crates, etc). See Demon (at a mere 3,312 units took 10+ months to roll out).

If pressed, my best guess is that a finite/fixed number will be built (1000-1500) with minimal customization allowed (ala the 1-6 sticker cars). I'm also thinking the top sales dealerships will get the cars (largely to keep them engaged for the ominous EV transition that's coming whether anyone likes it or not).

Perhaps the top 500 will get a shot, with variable allocations ranging between 1 and 5 (ala the Demon MO). As part of this announcement though I think Dodge will also do their best to appease the masses by promising a Direct Connection option (with all the Car 7 goodies available ala carte/dim sum) to all the customers they can't or won't be able to promise a car to.

None of this will make everyone happy. And I bet the brass at Dodge have different ideas on how to best move forward. Either way, in less than 24h we will all find out exactly how they plan to proceed.

Don't spend so much time worrying about it. The answer will come today. I'm sure you will get one

 

[Smitty]

I really think very few, if any, dealers will sell any of these at MSRP. They’re too greedy and the car, IMO, will be too limited. Will be interesting to see but the ADMs most are putting on Jalibreaks is a strong indicator.

 

[16GoManGoHC2]

That has the Whipple on top of it...

(And I'll need to get with @16GoManGoHC2 and discuss his M6 upgrade if I go with one of the crate motors...

Transzzila, equivalent, specially prepped TR6060

Not even a 9310 material geared Tranzilla like mine is going to stand up to 1500 crank and 12-1300 ft lbs of Tq. Mines at it limit and I worry about breaking it and axles if I take it to the track, Street is one thing a sticky track is a different ball game. It would take a face plated dog box style 6060 to to take such abuse and they’re no fun to daily drive, IMO at least. Maybe there’s other vendors out there offering something that would, if there is I’d like to know who they are. Mod To Fame Cheapokitty killed a few Tranzilla’s before going with I believe a GForce (not the Axles GForce 1320 company, GForce in Pa) face plated dog box 6060 but I haven’t heard much from him yet this year. Last I heard he was refreshing everything over winter for this year with plans to 1/4 mile the car as he’s been a Roll Race guy mostly. Kind of like me atm lol due to breaking shit.

 

[BULL]

1000-1100

 

[vortecd]

1000-1100

Somewhere we were making guesses last year on the hp. Thinking i was low

 

[BULL]

I have faith that someone will post up any live streams they find, right?

 

[vortecd]

Fun to go back on some of these threads and see what was said. I was going through my rumor thread and some comments have not aged well

 

[vortecd]

I have faith that someone will post up any live streams they find, right?

There will be , dodge isnt going to do the announcement to only a few

 

[vortecd]

Live stream https://www.youtube.com/live/abJ-CkuoxKA?feature=share

 

[Bowlerguy92]

https://www.youtube.com/live/abJ-CkuoxKA?feature=share

Awesome, thanks. Just set a reminder! Tough to imagine that this might be the last cool announcement we'll ever see from Dodge. Times will be different going forward.