Shift scheduling. Anyone want to share?

[1971demon]

If you are talking about table 44085, "Max Engine Speed" yes, leave that table alone.

The members here never cease to amaze me with their expertise..wealth of knowledge..and willingness to share..and this is so way way beyond my pay grade..

 

[AlleyCat]

So do not touch the general table?

 

[AlleyCat]

My pressures are pretty much in the single digits where you changed yours. Unless if they are not in foot pounds. Your increases would be a lot. Maybe mine are not in foot pounds.

 

[fumanchu182]

Show us a screenshot. You have to change the unit of measurement to PSI by clicking the green text next to the input field.

 

[AlleyCat]

to kpa?

 

[AlleyCat]

For shift pressures the only tables you need to touch are Oncoming Clutch, I did Normal/Perf/Sport/Max. For Normal/Perf I did a basic mild change. Make sure all changes are in PSI!
Anything else could adversely affect your solenoids. So the mild changes for Normal were select all rows from 221lb ft to the maximum and and 15 psi to them all by using the plus icon.

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Stock is above, mild is below.
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Do this for all the rest of the tables in Normal/Perf. For Sport/Max I did a very aggressive change. Add 25 PSI from 75-146lb-ft and then 50 PSI from 221lb-ft to maximum.
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Stock above, aggressive below.
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With these changes, your trans is going to be shifting like a champion. I have many a log highlighting the crispness of these changes, nice high peaks and correct drops. The trans will shift hard but that is expected.

 

[AlleyCat]

I see. psi next to the input box. when i touch that i cannot get psi. i will try again.

 

[AlleyCat]

I found it! Wow, you really upped yours. Because in sport/max when I upped them 50 percent your numbers were still a bit higher!

 

[jonx96]

Stuff like this isn’t typically done in percent. You add a value to the current data.

 

[AlleyCat]

So, in aggression patterns 2,3, and 4 my tuner has it at 1500 in the 100 percent tables in the 1-2 shift. Is it because the transmission will never see 100 percent in the 1-2 shift is why this is irrelevant? Maybe because things are happening so fast it only sees around 79.9 percent?

 

[jonx96]

So, in aggression patterns 2,3, and 4 my tuner has it at 1500 in the 100 percent tables in the 1-2 shift. Is it because the transmission will never see 100 percent in the 1-2 shift is why this is irrelevant? Maybe because things are happening so fast it only sees around 79.9 percent?

Typically, I don't like asking on public forum what a tuners data is. But to understand the thought process of your tuner we would need more information. Such as what is 79.9 set at and up? Depending on how you have it scaled. But we are getting into a point where your tuner may start to get upset if he knew we were sharing specifics. If it is datalogs and stuff like that it typically is not a big deal. But we will need more info of the tune to try and see what he is trying to accomplish from the tune.
But I doubt you will ever see 100% with accelerator Pedal position. Usually around 91% to 92%

I will say I see it says you are in the process of being tuned. This would be a great time to ask your tuner if you have questions about his tune. Not saying not to play and understand on your own. I think anyone who wants to up performance needs to understand the basics. But asking him is just another resource.

 

[PaVaSteeler]

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[fumanchu182]

Typically, I don't like asking on public forum what a tuners data is. But to understand the thought process of your tuner we would need more information. Such as what is 79.9 set at and up? Depending on how you have it scaled. But we are getting into a point where your tuner may start to get upset if he knew we were sharing specifics. If it is datalogs and stuff like that it typically is not a big deal. But we will need more info of the tune to try and see what he is trying to accomplish from the tune.
But I doubt you will ever see 100% with accelerator Pedal position. Usually around 91% to 92%

I will say I see it says you are in the process of being tuned. This would be a great time to ask your tuner if you have questions about his tune. Not saying not to play and understand on your own. I think anyone who wants to up performance needs to understand the basics. But asking him is just another resource.

100% agree on the client-tuner confidentiality if you are under contract. Once the relationship has concluded though, theres nothing “special sauce” about Mopar tuning. 90% of tuners leave ANN on and just scale injectors. Timing is timing, nothing special there. Little known fact. Since the Demon and RE have come out all pulley based tunes have some sort of lineage to those cars.

btw 1500 = 7k rpm in first gear, wtf…

 

[jonx96]

100% agree on the client-tuner confidentiality if you are under contract. Once the relationship has concluded though, theres nothing “special sauce” about Mopar tuning. 90% of tuners leave ANN on and just scale injectors. Timing is timing, nothing special there. Little known fact. Since the Demon and RE have come out all pulley based tunes have some sort of lineage to those cars.

btw 1500 = 7k rpm in first gear, wtf…

Correct! There is so much information out there if one is willing to take the time no need to buy a tune. I think I started in July on my own tune. I have 100s of hours into research and testing. But I enjoy doing it. These cars are capable of a lot. But there is only so much a tune can do before you need to replace parts. We are all using similar programs and tables to accomplish the same things.
Timing is timing. Power Enrichment is Power Enrichment.

 

[BULL]

Correct! There is so much information out there if one is willing to take the time no need to buy a tune.

 

[jonx96]

Meaning you can tune yourself if you want to spend the time. It seems like @AlleyCat is wanting to start some self tuning. Just as @fumanchu182 and I started doing this year as well. Between this forum and the hp tuners forum there are plenty of people willing to help.
That comment was in reference to @fumanchu182 saying there is no such thing as secret sauce which is true. But then we both agreed one still shouldn't share the details of their paid for tune.

 

[BULL]

Meaning you can tune yourself if you want to spend the time. It seems like @AlleyCat is wanting to start some self tuning. Just as @fumanchu182 and I started doing this year as well. Between this forum and the hp tuners forum there are plenty of people willing to help.
That comment was in reference to @fumanchu182 saying there is no such thing as secret sauce which is true. But then we both agreed one still shouldn't share the details of their paid for tune.

My response was two fold, one I have thought about it myself, but the idea of blowing up my motor because I patched together a bunch of different concepts from different places is a bit... ...scary.

I was also thinking about the idea of creating a tuning sub-forum?

There are about 3? members here who I am specifically aware of that are doing, at least in part, their own tuning? You, @fumanchu182 and @Speedy!.

 

[moparjim]

My response was two fold, one I have thought about it myself, but the idea of blowing up my motor because I patched together a bunch of different concepts from different places is a bit... ...scary.

I was also thinking about the idea of creating a tuning sub-forum?

There are about 3? members here who I am specifically aware of that are doing, at least in part, their own tuning? You, @fumanchu182 and @Speedy!.

There is another as my car is tuned by @Hpindy. Although nothing much has been done in the tune yet. Just make it safer and raised shift points for now.

 

[fumanchu182]

So here’s something else to think about. Ive taken all the Dodge courses from the Tuning School, those courses are created with the help of tuners that many of us have worked with. Anything they have put in the books is on HP Tuners website in the forums.

 

[Hpindy]

Meaning you can tune yourself if you want to spend the time. It seems like @AlleyCat is wanting to start some self tuning. Just as @fumanchu182 and I started doing this year as well. Between this forum and the hp tuners forum there are plenty of people willing to help.
That comment was in reference to @fumanchu182 saying there is no such thing as secret sauce which is true. But then we both agreed one still shouldn't share the details of their paid for tune.

I won't share stuff from other tuners only the stuff I figured out on my own .

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