Injector ID1300x2 Injector data

[jonx96]

Alright so I hear a lot of hype about the ID injectors. Looking at the old id1300s data was straight forwarded just needed converted but the x2 on the other hand is taking time to decipher what they want. I emailed their support and got another spreadsheet and between the two have somewhat made sense of it.

Taking the 400 column and then the y axis I converted to find inj pw vs fuel mass and fuel mass vs inj pw

Converted

Here is the offset table

Converted

Cranking PW multiplier Table 34000 startup base
ID Startup pw scalar is table 44436 statup inj pw scalar
Min Injector Pulsewidth .125

Now here is where I get a bit confused

So what table is it wanting me to enter the last two fuel mass values?

-----EDIT-----
The part I was confused on that I highlighted in red is as simple as entering data from your stock tune into the spread sheet. I had tunnel vision and thought I had to paste the info from the spreadsheet to the stock tune but that was not the case.

It will update the multiplier after you enter the data.

 

[Speedy!]

I don't think those values for high/low go in the tune itself, they're used to calculate the multiplier in the blue cells that then gets applied to the cold crank table, that is if I'm reading it all right. I don't remember doing any of that for my 1300X injectors.

Edit: I just checked the injector data I used from Injector Dynamics and it says ID1300x on the top.

 

[jonx96]

I don't think those values for high/low go in the tune itself, they're used to calculate the multiplier in the blue cells that then gets applied to the cold crank table, that is if I'm reading it all right. I don't remember doing any of that for my 1300x2 injectors.

I’ll have to re read it. I stepped away. Sometimes reading it again it’ll make more sense. Or I’ll ask support.
do you haven’t X or X2. The standard X data is very straight forward.

 

[Speedy!]

It's been a while since I bought them, my notes all say ID1300X so that's likely what they are, and yes I just pulled down the sheet for the 1300X2 ID injectors and it's very confusing. Whoever put this together needs to foot note it better. Comparing values they're super close to where I ended up with what's in my car though.

How did you know to grab the 400 column/row?

 

[Speedy!]

See if this helps. I think what they're trying to do is setup a "scale" for the bigger injectors on the startup table (34000). They're asking you to enter STOCK values and then use the multiplier to set the values in 34000 table, then the value calculated in the spreadsheet for startup inj PW Scalar.

This is the output I get using values from a stock 2018 Hellcat tune file.


So here you simply type in 18.6817 for startup inj pw scalar.

You select the entire table for startup inj pw (34000) and multiply all values by .40930, which seems to make sense considering the 1300x2 are a bigger injector.

Here's what mine gets using the .40930 multiplier applied to a stock 2018 tune file:


This obviously assumes I'm understanding the instructions LOL. This will all just be a starting point anyway, as I've never seen it be perfect right out of the box on any of the injectors I've used.

 

[jonx96]

Thanks for sharing.
It’s not actually for my car it’s for @vortecd 2016. But when I get back to my laptop I’ll sit down and go through this.
i think I asked support when I emailed them. I assumed that was it tho when I asked them because I compared data to the X and it was the closest to that by far if I remember right.
it’s all great data they provide they just made it really confusing to understand. I was a little disappointed. I
Was hoping he bought the X because those are very straight forward.

 

[jonx96]

Decided to tune his car if he’s not happy with it he can pay someone to tune it. We figured we’d do it and it isn’t like he will be out any money this way.

 

[vortecd]

Thanks for sharing.
It’s not actually for my car it’s for @vortecd 2016. But when I get back to my laptop I’ll sit down and go through this.
i think I asked support when I emailed them. I assumed that was it tho when I asked them because I compared data to the X and it was the closest to that by far if I remember right.
it’s all great data they provide they just made it really confusing to understand. I was a little disappointed. I
Was hoping he bought the X because those are very straight forward.

I know you like a challenge

 

[vortecd]

The aim is to see if we can get it into the 9's with a tune on e85, stock pulleys. It has been done before. Then may throw a pulley on it

 

[Speedy!]

Don't blow it up lmao jk

What's your PB?

 

[vortecd]

Don't blow it up lmao jk

What's your PB?

in my signature 10.51. Mopar Jim was 10.4's and not even adding timing just fixing the fueling issue went 10.1. We will be adding timing and e85

 

[Speedy!]

You may need an extra fuel pump for E85, not sure on that but keep a close eye on fuel pump DC. 9s is a tall order for just E85 but in the right conditions I think it's doable.

 

[vortecd]

You may need an extra fuel pump for E85, not sure on that but keep a close eye on fuel pump DC. 9s is a tall order for just E85 but in the right conditions I think it's doable.

Already planning on fuel system. I wouldn't just do bigger injectors without it. Just not doing a pulley yet

 

[jonx96]

Don't blow it up lmao jk

What's your PB?

We won’t push it any harder than we feel safe to do it. We know it’ll take the right conditions. Hoping for nice da in the spring. We will see.
Or I guess if he wants rev it to 7k and 25 degrees of timing and see what happens 😂 jk. I would tell him no

 

[moparjim]

The aim is to see if we can get it into the 9's with a tune on e85, stock pulleys. It has been done before. Then may throw a pulley on it

Wimp, we are going to try with out going to E85.🤣🤣🤣
Seriously though we will be trying in the spring. Will have to see what the fuel is like come spring time.
By then I will have dual pumps and my bigger injectors incase we need to go to E to do it.
I know Simon 🙏 tried to do it but finally went to E85 to get into the 9's in his blue car.
James and I think we may get there without it. We will see.
Looking forward to seeing what you can do next year.

 

[Hickster]

Oh I agree to sit back sniff and scratch with a hand full, well maybe hers, I have small hands. Butt the shine and dine is good. Where were weeze? Florida drive and shine again on Sat. 74 degrees, beaches are open, I hope, H/C will be on the beach for next 2 days. Alchohol and stoned crab claws nothing to do with. Oh your sister visiting from Iowa to the beach will be late.

 

[jonx96]

Wimp, we are going to try with out going to E85.🤣🤣🤣
Seriously though we will be trying in the spring. Will have to see what the fuel is like come spring time.
By then I will have dual pumps and my bigger injectors incase we need to go to E to do it.
I know Simon 🙏 tried to do it but finally went to E85 to get into the 9's in his blue car.
James and I think we may get there without it. We will see.
Looking forward to seeing what you can do next year.

i don’t like pushing a car on 93. Our spring 93 is terrible

 

[moparjim]

i don’t like pushing a car on 93. Our spring 93 is terrible

I'm thinking 91 without ethanol and mixing in some good stuff.
The last time out I was talking to a local tuner and he was using real 91 and Race Gas octane booster. At that time of year the 91 is a better base.
Back in November on the 10.1x day there was actually a degree of timing pulled out in spots to keep things happy. Or so I was told 🤷🤔😂

 

[vortecd]

Wimp, we are going to try with out going to E85.🤣🤣🤣
Seriously though we will be trying in the spring. Will have to see what the fuel is like come spring time.
By then I will have dual pumps and my bigger injectors incase we need to go to E to do it.
I know Simon 🙏 tried to do it but finally went to E85 to get into the 9's in his blue car.
James and I think we may get there without it. We will see.
Looking forward to seeing what you can do next year.

For the cost of 93 and using a octane booster or running ms109 it makes more sense to run e85. I live in a town of 3000 and we have 2 e85 stations plus we have many more around. I don't think I could get into the 9's with using ms109 or something like it and at $15 a gallon I will pass

 

[jonx96]

@Speedy! I assumed the same thing with table 3400 and that is what I did yesterday. So if we both assume it we must be right I had all that going yesterday. It could have been worded way better.
The only thing I don't understand is the part I highlighted in red but I'm wondering if it means what I did here. I contact support Monday. I'll post back my findings and a copy of the data in the tune so someone in the future can use it.