It Has To End Eventually I Guess

[HWDan]

On the other hand, Stellantis CEO was also quoted as saying ...

"What has been decided is to impose on the automotive industry electrification that brings 50% additional costs against a conventional vehicle," he said. "There is no way we can transfer 50% of additional costs to the final consumer because most parts of the middle class will not be able to pay."

Contrary to what click-bait news articles are trying to push, the next gen gas powered Charger/Challengers in one form or another are still coming.

 

[ACMAVRO]

I had a dream last night that the 23 hellcats would have an awd option. I think that will be their last hurrah and the game changer that Tim spoke of in early Nov. If they already have the awd GT challenger, HC Durango, Trackhawk and TRX I don't think it's that farfetched. Mainly a matter of fitting that big diff up front I guess.

or just wishful thinking lol

 

[BULL]

I had a dream last night that the 23 hellcats would have an awd option. I think that will be their last hurrah and the game changer that Tim spoke of in early Nov. If they already have the awd GT challenger, HC Durango, Trackhawk and TRX I don't think it's that farfetched. Mainly a matter of fitting that big diff up front I guess.

or just wishful thinking lol

Two problems with the AWD GT Challenger, it's a V6 for God's sake! The drivetrain they used couldn't come close. And have you seen the ground clearance on that sucker! You could fit a medium size mammal under there.

 

[ACMAVRO]

Two problems with the AWD GT Challenger, it's a V6 for God's sake! The drivetrain they used couldn't come close. And have you seen the ground clearance on that sucker! You could fit a medium size mammal under there.

I know, I know.. BUT what if they’ve been working on this a while and saving it while cashing in on their other models? They harp on giving us what we want. Who wouldn’t want that?

like I said wishful thinking 🤔

 

[Anguish]

On the other hand, Stellantis CEO was also quoted as saying ...

"What has been decided is to impose on the automotive industry electrification that brings 50% additional costs against a conventional vehicle," he said. "There is no way we can transfer 50% of additional costs to the final consumer because most parts of the middle class will not be able to pay."

Contrary to what click-bait news articles are trying to push, the next gen gas powered Charger/Challengers in one form or another are still coming.

I don't think that's the only reasonable take-home from the statement. For instance, "... therefore we are grateful for the subsidies that are being granted to us to transition to electric." Because at least here in Canada, we've invested heavily at the federal level into exactly that. Another take is "... therefore we will need to spread the 50% cost increase for electric vehicles across our entire product line, specifically those vehicles that remain ICE for now. Such as trucks." Another point is "... therefore we cannot maintain manufacture of ICE Hellcat vehicles, where we have to buy credits to offset their relatively low fuel economy, and need to eliminate overall costs throughout our fleet by eliminating high-cost, low-profit products."

There is no reason to believe that the repeated, multiple statements from Stellantis saying this specific product line is being converted to e-muscle as meaning something other than that. There's also no reason to believe that the 2024 product will retain the Charger and/or Challenger names.

 

[Magnified]

Hellcats are high profit items.... just saying. Not as high as pick up trucks and SUVs, but still up there.

 

[Boris]

Hellcats are high profit items.... just saying. Not as high as pick up trucks and SUVs, but still up there.

IDK.
An SXT RWD model can be had for under 30k and that has to turn a profit for Dodge.
The Redeyes and Super Stocks start over 80k. Thats 50k for what amounts to probably not much in terms of cost to make the one over the other.

 

[EricG]

It would be interesting to know, I know they volume buy those parts, but almost every single part is upgraded to the max, using more expensive parts than what 5.7/6.4 cars get too. We get some seriously stout stuff from the factory and they basically buy it all from sources outside the company. Can't be cheap...

 

[HWDan]

2024 new engine, yes it's GAS ...

Not is only is the Charger/Challenger all new in 2024 (definitely not discontinued, nor only a BEV), hell they might just be resurrecting the Magnum as well! ...

https://www.stellpower.com/news-2021/2-0t-spreads-out-where-the-3-0-turbo-straight-six-will-end-up/

and ...

https://www.stellpower.com/news-2021/new-dodge-challenger-for-2024-25/

 

[ACMAVRO]

2024 new engine, yes it's GAS ...

Not is only is the Charger/Challenger all new in 2024 (definitely not discontinued, nor only a BEV), hell they might just be resurrecting the Magnum as well! ...

https://www.stellpower.com/news-2021/2-0t-spreads-out-where-the-3-0-turbo-straight-six-will-end-up/

and ...

https://www.stellpower.com/news-2021/new-dodge-challenger-for-2024-25/

I didn't think they would ditch ICE altogether. Not in the immediate future anyway.

 

[Mike L.]

I've been told by my source who is testing this engine in the Jeep that it makes a lot of power, but a little doggy on the take-off.

 

[Magnified]

 

[Boris]

I've been told by my source who is testing this engine in the Jeep that it makes a lot of power, but a little doggy on the take-off.

the turbo 6?
Just keep the ECU open to tuning and I can live with a turbo 6.

Supras make how much HP? It shouldn't take much to make 1000hp

 

[Magnified]

As long as the block and mechanicals are robust I'm cool. If it's at 110% in factory capacity (for MPG or cost cutting or what ever) I think I'll move on down the road.

 

[Trucker Bob]

If Dodge is smart, they would build a large surplus of Hellcats and Scat Packs and sell them well into 2025 maybe even 26 as people realize this HP war is over.

If we were all smart with Brandon in charge we would bury a 5k or more fuel tank in the yard.
TB

 

[ACMAVRO]

Two problems with the AWD GT Challenger, it's a V6 for God's sake! The drivetrain they used couldn't come close. And have you seen the ground clearance on that sucker! You could fit a medium size mammal under there.

So I believe they must angle the motor like in the DSRTs for the front diff. Alter the hood a little if necessary for the angle(and few other things).. Bam awd charger/challenger Hellcat!!

ok ok just kidding. It would actually take a lot of adjustments but nice thought though😃

 

[Demoniccat]

Lot of re-engineering, crash test data. Not saying out of the question impossible. But would they do this on a car platform ready to retire. Maybe not, being the case they said their would be overlap of new platform it suggests there would be more cars to sell to make it worth it. But I don’t see it likely to happen, but then again Auburn hills have surprised us before. Where is @RS @ResumeSpeed when you need him

 

[1971demon]

Lot of re-engineering, crash test data. Not saying out of the question impossible. But would they do this on a car platform ready to retire. Maybe not, being the case they said their would be overlap of new platform it suggests their would be more cars to sell to make it worth it. But I don’t see it likely to happen, but then again Auburn hills have surprised us before. Where is @RS @ResumeSpeed when you need him

Sold us out...now chief eng. @ Tesla..

 

[Demoniccat]

I am not going to bite on that hook, 😂 you are trying to get me back for the last time I baited you
Merry X-Mass Bro !

 

[Mike L.]

Sold us out...now chief eng. @ Tesla..

I heard he found some financial backers and was starting up Yugo again.